Comments on: Carbocation Rearrangement Reactions (2) – Alkyl Shifts https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/22/rearrangement-reactions-2-alkyl-shifts/ Mon, 27 May 2024 07:06:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Soham Saha https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/22/rearrangement-reactions-2-alkyl-shifts/#comment-694862 Mon, 27 May 2024 07:06:45 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5522#comment-694862 Thanks for this wonderful website. I am not able to go for the membership plan, but all the information you’ve laid out for free is staggering and truly wonderful. I have learnt (and am learning) a lot from here.

I have a question too. If we take this molecule (https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=smiles+identifier+C1C%28%5BC%2B%5D%28C%29%28C%29%29C1), will it do ring expansion? Or will sigma-resonance stabilize it enough?

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/22/rearrangement-reactions-2-alkyl-shifts/#comment-688135 Mon, 18 Mar 2024 17:41:55 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5522#comment-688135 In reply to Pratistha Bhattacharjee.

In real life, both can occur.

In an exam-type situation, if you are faced with expanding a 4-membered ring to a 5-membered ring *or* doing a methyl shift to give a tertiary carbocation, you should expand out the 4-membered ring due to relief of ring strain.

There is very little relief of ring strain on going from 5- to 6-, and for that reason the two possibilities are a lot less clear cut in that case.

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By: Pratistha Bhattacharjee https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/22/rearrangement-reactions-2-alkyl-shifts/#comment-686803 Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:01 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5522#comment-686803 If there are possibilities of both tertiary carbonation and ring expansion then which one gets more preference?…which one forms?

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/22/rearrangement-reactions-2-alkyl-shifts/#comment-685817 Sat, 24 Feb 2024 18:30:48 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5522#comment-685817 In reply to CHANDRU.

Almost certainly the hydride would migrate preferentially. It’s just easier from a principle of least motion standpoint.

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By: CHANDRU https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/22/rearrangement-reactions-2-alkyl-shifts/#comment-685801 Sat, 24 Feb 2024 13:51:47 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5522#comment-685801 hi James if there were possibilities to form a tertiary carbocation in two ways in one way it’s an alkyl shift and another is a hydride shift, both leading to a stable carbocation (tertiary) which is likelyto occur …?

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By: Carbocation Rearrangement Reactions (2) – Alkyl Shifts | Straight A Mindset https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/22/rearrangement-reactions-2-alkyl-shifts/#comment-679077 Thu, 07 Dec 2023 23:04:55 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5522#comment-679077 […] The Mechanism Of Alkyl Shift Reactions […]

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/22/rearrangement-reactions-2-alkyl-shifts/#comment-678627 Mon, 04 Dec 2023 20:16:40 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5522#comment-678627 In reply to Nipun.

Do you mean ring contraction? Unlikely to go from five to four since four membered rings have a lot of strain.

If there is competing alkyl vs. hydride shifts that give equivalently stable carbocation, hydride shift will generally be favored since less molecular motion is involved.

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By: Nipun https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/22/rearrangement-reactions-2-alkyl-shifts/#comment-678623 Mon, 04 Dec 2023 18:39:06 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5522#comment-678623 Can ring expansion occur the other way around? I mean in a ring of Methyl cyclopentane. If there is a plus charge on the adjacent position of methyl. Will ring expansion still take place?

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/22/rearrangement-reactions-2-alkyl-shifts/#comment-675427 Thu, 26 Oct 2023 19:00:08 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5522#comment-675427 In reply to Gabriel Banda.

Generally, if one is going from a more strained ring to a less strained ring, the reaction should be exothermic since ring strain is being released.

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By: Gabriel Banda https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/22/rearrangement-reactions-2-alkyl-shifts/#comment-675298 Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:18:31 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5522#comment-675298 Would you describe a ring expansion as exothermic or endothermic?

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