Comments on: Rearrangement Reactions (1) – Hydride Shifts https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/15/rearrangement-reactions-1-hydride-shifts/ Mon, 12 Feb 2024 21:48:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/15/rearrangement-reactions-1-hydride-shifts/#comment-684761 Mon, 12 Feb 2024 21:48:57 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5498#comment-684761 In reply to Ayushi.

Generally only shifts from adjacent carbons occur (1,2-shifts). Rearrangement from a carbocation on the 5th carbon of 2,2-dimethylhexane would still only result in a secondary carbocation, so there would not be a significant driving force.

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By: Ayushi https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/15/rearrangement-reactions-1-hydride-shifts/#comment-684235 Tue, 06 Feb 2024 05:18:53 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5498#comment-684235 Sir / maam ,
If there is a carbocation at 5th carbon of 2,2- dimethyl hexane ,then is it possible that the carbocation rearranges to and does methyl shift ???

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/15/rearrangement-reactions-1-hydride-shifts/#comment-682114 Wed, 10 Jan 2024 19:53:14 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5498#comment-682114 In reply to Milad.

Acidity. HBr is extremely acidic (pKa about -8) whereas water and alcohols are about 22 orders of magnitude less acidic (pKa 14-16).

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By: Milad https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/15/rearrangement-reactions-1-hydride-shifts/#comment-682047 Tue, 09 Jan 2024 20:53:40 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5498#comment-682047 Hello, why does HBr turn into Br- before the nucleophilic attack but CH3OH and H2O don’t turn into CH3O- and OH- respectively before the nucleophilic attack on the carbocation ?

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By: Rearrangement Reactions (1) – Hydride Shifts | Straight A Mindset https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/15/rearrangement-reactions-1-hydride-shifts/#comment-679076 Thu, 07 Dec 2023 23:04:24 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5498#comment-679076 […] Spotting A “Substitution With Rearrangement”: An Extra Set Of C-H Bonds Forms And Breaks […]

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/15/rearrangement-reactions-1-hydride-shifts/#comment-643451 Wed, 30 Nov 2022 04:06:45 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5498#comment-643451 In reply to Devin.

More likely that the shift accompanies loss of the leaving group. You can think of the migrating group as being a bit like a nucleophile that moves over to the adjacent carbon, displacing the leaving group. This results in a new carbocation which can then undergo elimination.

That’s one pathway

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/15/rearrangement-reactions-1-hydride-shifts/#comment-643449 Wed, 30 Nov 2022 04:03:56 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5498#comment-643449 In reply to Rodney.

Good question. They are known, but only under very exotic conditions. See for example https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ja00326a006

It is much more likely (as you imply) that rearrangement is accompanied by loss of the leaving group in more of a concerted process.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/15/rearrangement-reactions-1-hydride-shifts/#comment-643448 Wed, 30 Nov 2022 03:47:20 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5498#comment-643448 In reply to Org Student.

Like many rearrangement questions, these are completely made up.

Honestly I wish I could find more literature examples that correspond to actual exam questions. Then I would show them. They are hard to find.

Rearrangements are much more likely to happen in undergraduate midterm problems than they are in any reaction vessel.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/15/rearrangement-reactions-1-hydride-shifts/#comment-643447 Wed, 30 Nov 2022 03:45:37 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5498#comment-643447 In reply to Sara.

Look for a secondary (or possibly primary) carbocation adjacent to a tertiary or quaternary carbon.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/08/15/rearrangement-reactions-1-hydride-shifts/#comment-643446 Wed, 30 Nov 2022 03:43:39 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5498#comment-643446 In reply to Shudhesh.

Some of the classic experiments on these shifts were done with neopentyl alcohol and neopentyl halides by Whitmore. https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja01347a037

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