Comments on: E1cB – Elimination (Unimolecular) Conjugate Base https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2020/02/11/e1cb-elimination-unimolecular-conjugate-base/ Fri, 02 Dec 2022 21:56:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: George https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2020/02/11/e1cb-elimination-unimolecular-conjugate-base/#comment-579759 Wed, 29 Apr 2020 22:14:13 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=14518#comment-579759 I understand in the aldol condensation the carbanion in the E1cB mechanism doesn’t have a strict stereochemical requirement (because the carbanion’s electrons are involved in resonance with the neighboring carbonyl) but can you assume in general that carbanions are sp2?

If there were no neighboring electron withdrawing group would the carbanion be sp3 — suggesting it requires an anti position to kick out the leaving group? Or do carbanions (like secondary/tertiary amines) tend not to be chiral because they can spontaneously invert? Or do almost all E1cb mechanisms require neighboring electron withdrawing groups (like carbonyls or NO2) which means they will all have sp2 character like the aldol reaction?

Lastly, where you write: “Note – apparently, when F or Cl is the leaving group, deprotonation is the slow step. However, when the leaving group is Br, or I, deprotonation is rate-determining and breakage of C-X is fast.” I think for F or Cl you might have meant to say the deprotonation is a “fast” (not slow) step.

Thanks!

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