Comments on: 3 Factors That Stabilize Carbocations https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/03/11/3-factors-that-stabilize-carbocations/ Sat, 29 Jun 2024 03:32:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: 誘起効果と共鳴効果の違い – 30歳からの進路選択 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/03/11/3-factors-that-stabilize-carbocations/#comment-698097 Sat, 29 Jun 2024 03:32:54 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=1405#comment-698097 […] 出典:https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/03/11/3-factors-that-stabilize-carbocations/ […]

]]>
By: 3 Factors That Stabilize Carbocations | Straight A Mindset https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/03/11/3-factors-that-stabilize-carbocations/#comment-679070 Thu, 07 Dec 2023 22:35:49 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=1405#comment-679070 […] Applying Carbocation Stability To Understand Reactions […]

]]>
By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/03/11/3-factors-that-stabilize-carbocations/#comment-586224 Fri, 16 Oct 2020 18:57:20 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=1405#comment-586224 In reply to Chenglin.

Hi Chenglin, I am assuming you are referring to the image under section 5.
The *overall* kinetics of these reactions will be dictated by the formation of the carbocation, which is the rate-limiting step. Generally the more stable the carbocation, the lower will be the the activation energy for its formation (“late” transition state) and the faster the overall rate of reaction.

It should not be interpreted to mean that there is a relationship between the stability of the carbocation and the rate of the *second* (i.e. fast addition of nucleophile to carbocation) step.

]]>
By: Chenglin https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/03/11/3-factors-that-stabilize-carbocations/#comment-585712 Wed, 07 Oct 2020 06:48:44 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=1405#comment-585712 Hello James, thanks for the clear explanation.
A question about the carbocation. We say that the more stable carbocation reacts with the nucleophile faster. Are we connecting the thermodynamic stability to the kinetics here?

]]>
By: Server Bug Fix: Stability of α-chlorocarbocations - TECHPRPR https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/03/11/3-factors-that-stabilize-carbocations/#comment-582187 Sat, 11 Jul 2020 20:48:16 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=1405#comment-582187 […] You get both, but the +M effect wins. See the discussion of the effect of atoms with lone pairs over here. […]

]]>
By: Dip https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/03/11/3-factors-that-stabilize-carbocations/#comment-579458 Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:21:39 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=1405#comment-579458 Cyclopropenyl cation being aromatic can be stored in bottle.but is it possible to store cyclopropyl methyl cation as it is more stable.

]]>
By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/03/11/3-factors-that-stabilize-carbocations/#comment-579430 Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:32:21 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=1405#comment-579430 In reply to Dip.

Cyclopropyl methyl. Cyclopropenyl quickly rearranges to allyl cation.

]]>
By: Dip https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/03/11/3-factors-that-stabilize-carbocations/#comment-579372 Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:14:00 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=1405#comment-579372 Which carbocation is more stable
Cyclopropyl methyl cation or cyclopropenyl cation

]]>
By: Viraj https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/03/11/3-factors-that-stabilize-carbocations/#comment-569494 Fri, 01 Nov 2019 14:43:03 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=1405#comment-569494 thank you sir your articles are very hepful and they helped me to understand my archj-enemy O-chem better

THANK YOU!!!!

]]>
By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/03/11/3-factors-that-stabilize-carbocations/#comment-552820 Mon, 15 Apr 2019 18:43:02 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=1405#comment-552820 In reply to Asma Gulzar.

That is an EXCELLENT question and the data contradicts somewhat. Cyclopropylmethyl cations are generally considered to be more stable than benzyl. I’m looking for a better reference than just March 5th ed. p. 222, but the references therein are to good, but somewhat obscure, reviews. Hydrolysis rates suggest cyclopropylmethyl cations are more stable.

However another way to answer that is to look at 13-C NMR to determine the chemical shift of the carbocations. The more negative the chemical shift, the more unstable it is. The 2-cyclopropyl carbocation has a chemical shift of -86.8 ppm and the 2-phenylpropyl cation has a chemical shift of -61.1 indicating that the phenyl group is better at stabilizing. See https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/ja00731a026

]]>