Comments on: Nucleophilicity vs. Basicity https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/06/06/nucleophilicity-vs-basicity/ Thu, 11 Jan 2024 21:25:56 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/06/06/nucleophilicity-vs-basicity/#comment-682185 Thu, 11 Jan 2024 21:25:56 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5238#comment-682185 In reply to Atif Arshad.

Basicity, for our purposes, involves the reaction of a lone pair with H (proton).

Nucleophilicity, for our purposes, involves the reaction of a lone pair with *any atom other than H*, by which we usually mean *carbon*.

The biggest difference is that when a lone pair is attacking any atom other than H, it generally has to be to an empty orbital, which is most often an antibonding orbital (e.g. sigma star) like it is with the SN2 reaction.

And that means approaching the backside of the C-X bond (where X is a good leaving group) which means that it can be *much* more subject to steric interactions (i.e. bulkiness).

Anything which affects steric bulk around the base is going to affect its nucleophilicity. Solvent is a perfect example – you’ve probably learned the difference between polar protic and polar aprotic solvents. The more hydrogen bonding there is around a base, the less nucleophilic it will be.

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By: Atif Arshad https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/06/06/nucleophilicity-vs-basicity/#comment-682024 Tue, 09 Jan 2024 10:25:30 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5238#comment-682024 Great work Mr. James. But I still have a question, can you please explain how to check nucleophilicity and basicity simultaneously? Like i was studying substitution and elimination reaction and came through that I- is a very good nucleophile but a weak base, similarly RO- and HO- are good nucleophiles and strong bases as well, or Cl- is a fair nucleophile but a weak base. LIKE HOW? I AM CONFUSED AND CONFUSED FOR ALMOST A MONTH. Can you please explain in detail? It will be of great help. Thank You!

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By: Shyamal Bhave https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/06/06/nucleophilicity-vs-basicity/#comment-676215 Tue, 07 Nov 2023 08:04:08 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5238#comment-676215 for genuine and easy explanation of concept .]]> Thank you sir🙏 for genuine and easy explanation of concept .

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/06/06/nucleophilicity-vs-basicity/#comment-566842 Thu, 10 Oct 2019 02:14:42 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5238#comment-566842 In reply to Sidhant Barik.

The pKa of t-BuOH is about 18 versus 16 for methanol, so for a first-order analysis, no. However, as always, “it depends”. There are certain reactions (e.g. elimination) requiring base that can undergo different pathways with bulky bases than with non sterically hindered bases. See: https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/10/24/bulky-bases-in-elimination-reactions/

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/06/06/nucleophilicity-vs-basicity/#comment-566841 Thu, 10 Oct 2019 02:11:30 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5238#comment-566841 In reply to drwebb.

True enough!

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/06/06/nucleophilicity-vs-basicity/#comment-563882 Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:54:03 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5238#comment-563882 In reply to Cait.

I assume you mean that you have a tertiary alkyl halide, in the presence of H2O. The first step will be loss of halide ion to give a carbocation. What happens next could either be attack of the carbocation by water (SN1) or deprotonation adjacent to the carbocation to give an alkene (elimination – E1). Both pathways will occur. However in my experience the elimination pathway is generally only going to be the major product if the reaction also mentions “Heat”.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/06/06/nucleophilicity-vs-basicity/#comment-563237 Thu, 05 Sep 2019 17:46:36 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5238#comment-563237 In reply to Vinay Patel.

If we are comparing neutral OH with neutral COOH, with equal steric hindrance, then the stronger nucleophile would be the group that is the most basic.

It is easier to protonate R-OH to R-OH2 (+) than it is to protonate R-CO2H to R-CO2H2 (+). We know this because the pKa of protonated R-OH is about -2.2 (CH3-OH2+) and the pKa of protonated R-CO2H is about -7.7 (Ph-CO2H2 + ) Source: http://evans.rc.fas.harvard.edu/pdf/evans_pKa_table.pdf

If there is significant difference in steric hindrance then this would affect the relative nucleophilicity to some extent. You are correct that protic solvent would retard the nucleophilicity of both these species, and polar aprotic solvent would augment it.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/06/06/nucleophilicity-vs-basicity/#comment-560169 Thu, 08 Aug 2019 17:26:41 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5238#comment-560169 In reply to Surabhi.

What are the key nucleophilicity trends as one descends the periodic table?

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/06/06/nucleophilicity-vs-basicity/#comment-555166 Mon, 13 May 2019 16:10:13 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5238#comment-555166 In reply to rajendra kc.

Flipping??

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/06/06/nucleophilicity-vs-basicity/#comment-552032 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 17:53:19 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5238#comment-552032 In reply to Hardev singh.

There’s a lot of factors that go into the nucleophilicity of a species, not just electronegativity.

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