Comments on: 7 Factors That Stabilize Positive Charge in Organic Chemistry https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/03/07/7-factors-that-stabilize-positive-charge-in-organic-chemistry/ Tue, 23 Aug 2022 20:29:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/03/07/7-factors-that-stabilize-positive-charge-in-organic-chemistry/#comment-550397 Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:00:09 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=4478#comment-550397 In reply to ga ga.

As electronegativity increases, the stability of a negative charge (e.g. pair of electrons) will increase. You can think of going from sp3 to sp2 to sp hybridization as changing the effective electronegativity of the atom.

What’s the opposite of a lone pair of electrons? An empty orbital. As electronegativity increases, the *instability* of an empty orbital increases. That’s why we see carbocations, but almost never see nitrogen, oxygen, and (especially) fluorine with completely empty orbitals.
Applying the analogy above, you can think of going from sp3 to sp2 to sp as increasing the effective electronegativity of the atom, with the result that an empty orbital will be less stable.
Another way to look at it is from the perspective of potential energy. Think of an object 1 km above the surface of the Earth. It has a certain potential energy that is related to the gravitational force of the planet. If you keep that distance constant but increase the mass of the planet (say Earth -> Uranus -> Jupiter) you are increasing the potential energy of that object, just as increasing electronegativity correlates with increased potential energy.
When we’re talking about “destabilization of positive charge” due to hybridization (or electronegativity) you can really think of it as decreasing the ionization energy.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/03/07/7-factors-that-stabilize-positive-charge-in-organic-chemistry/#comment-550396 Thu, 21 Mar 2019 15:47:57 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=4478#comment-550396 In reply to yash.

I would not say that H2S is a better base than H2O. I have never seen a pKa value for H3S+

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By: Tavleen https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/03/07/7-factors-that-stabilize-positive-charge-in-organic-chemistry/#comment-501690 Tue, 17 Jan 2017 22:55:25 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=4478#comment-501690 For (CH3)+, shouldn’t the hybridization be sp2 instead of sp3 because the steric number of (CH3)+ is 3?

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By: Carter S https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/03/07/7-factors-that-stabilize-positive-charge-in-organic-chemistry/#comment-486631 Fri, 14 Oct 2016 15:14:41 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=4478#comment-486631 I think Stabilization of positive charge is not explained well, Positive charge means deficiency of electron, not any real positive charge near the nucleus. your statement “The opposite is true for positive charge! Having a positive charge in an sp orbital would mean that the positive charge is held more closely to the positively charged nucleus, which is bad! So the stability of positive charge will increase as we go from sp to sp2 to sp3. ”
is not satisfactory.

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By: yash https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/03/07/7-factors-that-stabilize-positive-charge-in-organic-chemistry/#comment-467993 Sat, 16 Jul 2016 19:25:27 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=4478#comment-467993 I am a bit confused, my book says that H2S is better acid than H2O because SH- is more stable than OH- similarly we can say that H2S is better base than H2O because H3S+ is more stable than H3O+.Now how is this possible that H2S is both better acid as well as better base.

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By: John https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/03/07/7-factors-that-stabilize-positive-charge-in-organic-chemistry/#comment-459472 Sat, 21 May 2016 18:23:12 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=4478#comment-459472 A positive charge is stabilized by adjacent electron donating groups (methyl, for example). But something like oxygen is more electronegative, so wouldn’t that be an electron withdrawing group, pulling more electron density away from an already electron-poor area, making it more positive and less stable? Or is this a case where resonance has a more stabilizing effect than induction, i.e. the lone pairs on oxygen, adjacent to a positive charge, can resonante and “redistribute” that positive charge?

I know aldehydes are more reactive than ketones because they have less CH/electron donating groups to stabilize the partial positive charge on the carbonyl C. But esters have two oxygens bonded to the carbonyl carbon; my mind tells me “Shouldn’t that ester oxygen destabilize/pull more charge away/make the carbonyl C more positive?”. Another part of my mind tells me “An O-CH3 is an electron donating group; shouldn’t it stabilize the partial positive on the carbonyl C?”. But I guess this is another resonance beats induction thing? A ketone only has one resonance structure, placing the positive charge fully on the carbonyl carbon, whereas the ester has two resonance structures, one where a positive charge is placed on the ester oxygen (thus making the positive charge less concentrated).

When in doubt, I always remind myself that “resonance beats everything”, and this is why, for example, halogen substituents on a benzene, while being deactivating through induction, are still ortho/para directors through resonance.

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By: ga ga https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/03/07/7-factors-that-stabilize-positive-charge-in-organic-chemistry/#comment-428257 Fri, 02 Oct 2015 14:24:48 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=4478#comment-428257 hey,
I am quite confused with the relationship between hybridisation and charge density. I our college our prof has taught us dat : “the more the s character, the more the destability or the stability decreases” . Can you also clarify the difference between the charge density and electronegativity and their effect on the carbocation?

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By: James https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/03/07/7-factors-that-stabilize-positive-charge-in-organic-chemistry/#comment-427566 Mon, 28 Sep 2015 21:14:28 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=4478#comment-427566 In reply to janrao premdas khandare.

Radicals are neutral because the negative charge from the electrons balances out the positive charge from the nucleus.

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By: janrao premdas khandare https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/03/07/7-factors-that-stabilize-positive-charge-in-organic-chemistry/#comment-424174 Wed, 16 Sep 2015 06:55:03 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=4478#comment-424174 if electron having only negative charge so how is possible radicals.

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By: james https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/03/07/7-factors-that-stabilize-positive-charge-in-organic-chemistry/#comment-2720 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:26:23 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=4478#comment-2720 In reply to Undergrad.

That’s a common trap! In the phenyl carbocation [C6H5 (+) ] the empty p orbital is in the same plane with the C-H bonds, which is 90 degrees away from the p orbitals of the aromatic ring. So resonance stabilization is not possible.

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