Comments on: Acid Base Reactions Are Fast https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/05/21/acid-base-reactions-are-fast/ Fri, 30 Dec 2022 03:54:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/05/21/acid-base-reactions-are-fast/#comment-582092 Thu, 09 Jul 2020 17:25:02 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5073#comment-582092 In reply to Deepansh Kalra.

Grignard reagents add to the carbonyl – irreversibly. Hydroxide can add to the carbonyl to form a hemiacetal but it is reversible, and eventually deprotonation occurs to give the enolate.
With Grignards, deprotonation at the alpha position only tends to occur when there is a lot of steric bulk around the carbonyl carbon. The C-H bond has to be oriented at 90° in order for deprotonation to occur, otherwise the resulting carbanion won’t be in resonance with the carbonyl pi bond

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By: Deepansh Kalra https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/05/21/acid-base-reactions-are-fast/#comment-581939 Sun, 05 Jul 2020 13:43:59 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5073#comment-581939 Why in Aldol Condensation OH- being a weaker base than Grignard Reagent able to deprotonate alpha H and Grignard Reagent Isn’t

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By: Jade https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/05/21/acid-base-reactions-are-fast/#comment-511374 Mon, 17 Apr 2017 21:56:40 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5073#comment-511374 In reply to James.

Thank you James for your reply!

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By: James https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/05/21/acid-base-reactions-are-fast/#comment-511371 Mon, 17 Apr 2017 21:37:34 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5073#comment-511371 In reply to Alyssa Sak.

Any time you form a carbocation, watch out for rearrangements.

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By: James https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/05/21/acid-base-reactions-are-fast/#comment-511370 Mon, 17 Apr 2017 21:36:59 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5073#comment-511370 In reply to Jade.

Hi, if you deprotonate C-H adjacent to a ketone, the carbon will not be sp3 hybridized for long. It is energetically favourable for the carbon to re-hybridize to sp2, which puts the lone pair in a p orbital and can then be conjugated with the p orbitals in the C=O group.

It’s this atomic motion which makes deprotonation of C-H “slow”.

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By: Jade https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/05/21/acid-base-reactions-are-fast/#comment-511330 Mon, 17 Apr 2017 05:55:15 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5073#comment-511330 Thank you so much for all your work on the website. I got orgo 1 summary sheet and finding it very helpful.
Just a question. Why breakage of C-H bond results in rehybridazation om aldehyde and ketone?
Wouldn’t it be still sp3 with the lone pair after deprotonation?
There is no
Thank you again.

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By: Diana https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/05/21/acid-base-reactions-are-fast/#comment-449183 Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:46:06 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5073#comment-449183 Thanks so much for summarizing!
I’ve always had trouble understanding why certain actions are preferred over others. It’s an important point that you clarified so well!
Thank you!

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By: Alyssa Sak https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/05/21/acid-base-reactions-are-fast/#comment-93852 Fri, 09 May 2014 12:41:31 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5073#comment-93852 Forgot to add that yes, I realize the shifts can be used in SN1 / SN2 reactions…maybe it’s best if I keep an eye out for any potential carbocation rearrangements that could make a carbon center more stable.

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By: Alyssa Sak https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/05/21/acid-base-reactions-are-fast/#comment-93850 Fri, 09 May 2014 12:24:00 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=5073#comment-93850 I have a question that’s been bothering me for a while now–mostly because my organic chem prof doesn’t explain concepts fully–when is the best time an alkyl or hydride shift can be done on a reaction mechanism problem? I know alkyl / halide shifts can be used in a problem where you have an alcohol and you’re reacting it with some type of haloalkane like HBr, but are there any other times the shifts can be used?

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