Comments on: Rules For Aromaticity https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/02/23/rules-for-aromaticity/ Thu, 05 Sep 2024 14:57:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/02/23/rules-for-aromaticity/#comment-705564 Thu, 05 Sep 2024 14:57:25 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10497#comment-705564 In reply to Chris.

Thanks for the question! Short answer is that the nitrogen in NADH is very poorly basic here because the lone pair on nitrogen is conjugated with the two adjacent pi bonds. Protonation of these types of functional groups (look up “enamines”) requires pretty strong acid (at least below pH 4). Even if it was protonated at physiological pH, protonation is very reversible, and it would represent a dead-end that just quickly equilibrates back into NADH.

Furthermore, if protonation were to occur, it would happen primarily on carbon, rather than on nitrogen. This is because the nitrogen lone pair donates a lot of electron density into the adjacent alkenes, and these carbons become quite basic (relatively speaking). Enamines protonate primarily on carbon.

There is no partial aromaticity in NADH. The ring in NADH is not aromatic, nor is it even partially aromatic. That’s because the carbon with two H’s attached has no orbital capable of pi-bonding with the adjacent atoms. In order for aromaticity to occur, there must be a continuous ring of atoms capable of pi-bonding. When NADH donates hydride (H-) this breaks one of the C-H bonds, and results in formation of a new C-N pi bond. This allows conjugation of pi bonds all around the ring, and formation of an aromatic ring provides the driving force for this reaction.

I hope this answers your question! James

I hope this answers your question

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By: Chris https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/02/23/rules-for-aromaticity/#comment-705508 Thu, 05 Sep 2024 02:26:38 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10497#comment-705508 I found this page while looking for an answer to why the pyridine ring nitrogen of reduced nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NADH) does not become protonated at physiological pH to form NADH2.

I am wondering if the pyridine ring has any partial aromaticity?

And to what extent is that more or less important than steric and electron-withdrawing effects of the ring itself and the nearby ribose?

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By: Manasa https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/02/23/rules-for-aromaticity/#comment-704811 Thu, 29 Aug 2024 12:10:33 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10497#comment-704811 five pairs of changes.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/02/23/rules-for-aromaticity/#comment-702147 Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:49:14 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10497#comment-702147 In reply to Mu Hsuan-Jung.

Yes. Molecules can still have aromaticity even if one (or more) atoms is sp3. One of the key characteristics of an aromatic molecule is the existence of a ring current, which you can think of as a cyclic pathway for pi electrons to travel in. So long as this cyclic pathway exists, aromaticity is at least theoretically possible.

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By: Mu Hsuan-Jung https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/02/23/rules-for-aromaticity/#comment-701830 Thu, 01 Aug 2024 12:36:41 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10497#comment-701830 The special case in note 2 (dihydropyrene) is so interesting! By the way, the ongoing Olympic Games remind me of a compound called “olympicene”, which has 5 rings and many isomers since the extra hydrogen results in a sp3 carbon, pretty much like the case in note 2, but not that symmetric. Considering the 1,H-olympicene, it seems like the sp3 carbon would be surrounded by 4 conjugated rings in a semicircle. This makes me wonder how to define the aromaticity for polycyclic compounds, because the sp3 carbon is also locked in the same plane and the whole structure is still flat. I guess the aromaticity can be a “partial” characteristic for this kind of compounds?

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By: om agrawal https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/02/23/rules-for-aromaticity/#comment-682264 Fri, 12 Jan 2024 19:23:37 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10497#comment-682264 very good article so well explained…… so neat and clear… and explanation is next level..

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By: Aromatic organic compounds - Easy to Calculate https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/02/23/rules-for-aromaticity/#comment-658676 Sat, 17 Jun 2023 12:18:06 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10497#comment-658676 […] For additional help on aromatic organic compounds, you make consult this article on aromaticity. […]

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By: Srinivasan https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/02/23/rules-for-aromaticity/#comment-653535 Fri, 28 Apr 2023 06:01:34 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10497#comment-653535 Thanks for the clarification James reg. C2 being more nucleophilic in pyrrole.
Guess this requires a small correction to one of your earlier replies and maybe to the overall text portion too..:)

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2017/02/23/rules-for-aromaticity/#comment-653495 Thu, 27 Apr 2023 17:40:45 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10497#comment-653495 In reply to Srinivasan.

Yes. The carbons adjacent to the nitrogens on pyrrole are more nucleophilic.

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