Comments on: Alcohols To Ethers via Acid Catalysis https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2014/11/14/ether-synthesis-via-alcohols-and-acid/ Thu, 25 Jul 2024 19:13:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: John Griswold https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2014/11/14/ether-synthesis-via-alcohols-and-acid/#comment-701150 Thu, 25 Jul 2024 19:13:49 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8626#comment-701150 Geez, I’m 70, and remember why I didn’t take Organic Chemistry 50 years ago…

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2014/11/14/ether-synthesis-via-alcohols-and-acid/#comment-587973 Thu, 12 Nov 2020 17:04:02 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8626#comment-587973 In reply to nikki.

Possible, yes, it wouldn’t be a very clean reaction due to competition with other pathways. One would obtain a lot of elimination and rearrangement through E1 pathways.

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By: nikki https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2014/11/14/ether-synthesis-via-alcohols-and-acid/#comment-587773 Sun, 08 Nov 2020 19:43:08 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8626#comment-587773 Would an Sn2 mechanism be possible if we heated a secondary alcohol?

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2014/11/14/ether-synthesis-via-alcohols-and-acid/#comment-576003 Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:26:28 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8626#comment-576003 In reply to student.

It has a full “formal charge”, but formal charge is not always a helpful gauge of electron density. Compare the electronegativities of O and H, and that will tell you where the electron density is. See this post: Watch Out, Formal Charge Can Mislead: https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2012/02/22/common-mistakes-formal-charges-can-mislead/

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By: student https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2014/11/14/ether-synthesis-via-alcohols-and-acid/#comment-575986 Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:24:54 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8626#comment-575986 Why wouldn’t the second alcohol’s oxygen attack the protonated oxygen? That oxygen has a full positive charge, and the carbon atom only has a partial positive charge.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2014/11/14/ether-synthesis-via-alcohols-and-acid/#comment-557667 Mon, 08 Jul 2019 02:46:03 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8626#comment-557667 In reply to Koustubh.

? This post doesn’t address alkyl halides. It addresses formation of ethers from alcohols. Can you be more specific?

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By: Koustubh https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2014/11/14/ether-synthesis-via-alcohols-and-acid/#comment-557626 Sun, 07 Jul 2019 09:22:51 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8626#comment-557626 Instead of alkyl halides what else can be used ? Thank you.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2014/11/14/ether-synthesis-via-alcohols-and-acid/#comment-556880 Tue, 25 Jun 2019 03:25:56 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8626#comment-556880 In reply to Tim.

The reaction here is one where there are very few possible side reactions. A single reactant, and the electrophile only differs from the nucleophile in being its conjugate acid. A primary electrophile, with no chance of ionizing to a carbocation, no chance of rearrangement, and the only side-product is elimination. So it’s kind of a special case.

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By: Tim https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2014/11/14/ether-synthesis-via-alcohols-and-acid/#comment-556866 Mon, 24 Jun 2019 22:03:32 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8626#comment-556866 An alcohol like water is a bad nucleophile, so why does SN2 occur? Is it the high temperature or because water is an exceptionally good leaving group?

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2014/11/14/ether-synthesis-via-alcohols-and-acid/#comment-556559 Thu, 20 Jun 2019 04:29:48 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=8626#comment-556559 In reply to Mahmoud Al-Sha’er.

I actually suggest you don’t use this method, unless you are trying to make diethyl ether on industrial scale. Use anything else. You can thank me later.

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