Comments on: E and Z Notation For Alkenes (+ Cis/Trans) https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2016/11/03/alkene-nomenclature-cis-and-trans-and-e-and-z/ Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:57:32 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2016/11/03/alkene-nomenclature-cis-and-trans-and-e-and-z/#comment-679335 Sun, 10 Dec 2023 13:31:33 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10224#comment-679335 In reply to Leana.

In small, cyclic alkenes, the two ring carbons must be on the same side of the alkene (cis) due to ring strain. If you try and make trans-cyclopentene for example you will quickly have a very bent molecular model kit.

The first cyclic alkene with a stable trans- geometric isomer is trans cyclooctene. Once the ring size increases past eight, then geometrical isomerism is possible. So in larger rings we should be specific about whether the double bond is cis or trans (or E/Z).

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By: Leana https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2016/11/03/alkene-nomenclature-cis-and-trans-and-e-and-z/#comment-677414 Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:51:12 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10224#comment-677414 Hi
Could you please explain why can’t we find the Z/E or cis/trans in cyclic alkenes ? Is there any cyclic alkene for which I do precise Z/E or cis/trans ?

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2016/11/03/alkene-nomenclature-cis-and-trans-and-e-and-z/#comment-676458 Fri, 10 Nov 2023 09:15:08 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10224#comment-676458 In reply to Syncuvane.

That was in a section on cis trans in *rings*.

In *rings* cis/trans is redundant if there are two chiral centers and you determine R/S on them both.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2016/11/03/alkene-nomenclature-cis-and-trans-and-e-and-z/#comment-659153 Tue, 20 Jun 2023 16:20:59 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10224#comment-659153 In reply to Dodo.

It is (E) and also cis. I wonder if this is a glitch with the nomenclature software at pubchem.

No human being would name this “trans”

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By: Dodo https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2016/11/03/alkene-nomenclature-cis-and-trans-and-e-and-z/#comment-658818 Mon, 19 Jun 2023 01:44:51 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10224#comment-658818 Hi,
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/trans-2-Phenyl-2-butene
Here why is this a trans compound if the two identical methyl groups are on the same side?

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By: Classify The Following Alkenes.In Terms Of E/Z Stereoisomer Configurations. - [100% Official Pages] https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2016/11/03/alkene-nomenclature-cis-and-trans-and-e-and-z/#comment-643866 Tue, 06 Dec 2022 21:52:12 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10224#comment-643866 […] Nov 3, 2016 … We apply this to two stereoisomers which are (non-superimposable) mirror images of each other. Also: keep in mind that the terms “diastereomer” … Visit Site […]

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2016/11/03/alkene-nomenclature-cis-and-trans-and-e-and-z/#comment-636029 Tue, 23 Aug 2022 03:01:25 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10224#comment-636029 In reply to Siddharth.

E-Z is preferred and is non-ambiguous, but in simple cases cis-trans- will do.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2016/11/03/alkene-nomenclature-cis-and-trans-and-e-and-z/#comment-636028 Tue, 23 Aug 2022 03:01:03 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10224#comment-636028 In reply to NackOmega.

It’s not energetically possible for 5- or 6- membered rings. Seven membered rings can be trans but have a short lifetime. Only at 8-membered rings do they start to be reasonably stable.

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By: James Ashenhurst https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2016/11/03/alkene-nomenclature-cis-and-trans-and-e-and-z/#comment-624251 Fri, 08 Apr 2022 21:03:34 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10224#comment-624251 In reply to Tom.

Glad you find it helpful, Tom. Best wishes on your graduate program. James

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By: Tom https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2016/11/03/alkene-nomenclature-cis-and-trans-and-e-and-z/#comment-624250 Fri, 08 Apr 2022 20:51:16 +0000 https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/?p=10224#comment-624250 Greetings…58 years old here, applying to a graduate program, am reviewing my organic chemistry and found your website helpful. Thank you

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